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2/04/2026 7:54 pm  #1


I Remember Lemuria, but do I remember Sword & Sorcery correctly?

As folks may remember, @StMichael is running an excellent Barbarians of Lemuria game with the title "I Remember Lemuria."

I'm playing Nymox the Red, the Best Thief South of the Axos Mountains. (And maybe North. He hasn't been yet.) Now, normally, I tend to play the talker of our gaming group. The guy who bargains and finagles and convinces the NPCs to go along with our plans or stay out of our way. However, we've got another player whose character is a Courtier (Noble) and a Trickster (more Performer than Thief) with the Silver Tongue boon. So I'm trying to stay out of his lane as much as possible.

I'm still an instigator, using Nymox to try and push the story/action forward, but I'm noticing something odd. The longer we go, the less Nymox is the cool-headed, slick criminal I envisioned him to be and the more hot-headed he becomes. Not necessarily when pulling jobs, but when dealing with NPCs.

I think this may be down to my having a deeper background in S&S fiction than the other players. That is, they're  tending to take a more cerebral approach and I'm thinking "What Would Conan Do?" Or, perhaps more accurately, "What Would the Gray Mouser Do?" Which, to my mind, is to resort to the blade to settle disagreements with uncooperative, aggressive, or rude personages we encounter.

So, as the game goes on, I notice I'm playing Nymox with more of a chip on his shoulder, unwilling to suffer fools lightly. (He once spat on the corpse of a king who Just Wouldn't Listen. We didn't kill him, but he certainly got what was coming to him. I'm pretty sure I surprised StMichael with that bit of business.)

So my question (yes, I have a question) is this: Does anyone else notice themselves playing S&S characters with a bit more swagger, a bit more arrogance, and a bit more quick to settle problems with sharp metal objects? It feels pretty natural for the setting, but I do worry that, perhaps, I'm overdoing it.

I do keep thinking of the Nemedian Chronicles quote about Conan being "...sullen-eyed, sword in hand, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, with gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth..." S&S simply doesn't feel like the genre (sub-genre?)  for intellect over instinct, diplomacy over disembowelment. Talk, yes, but be quick to act.

As Conan said in Queen of the Black Coast, describing being repeatedly asked to give evidence against a friend: 

“But I choked my ire and held my peace, and the judge squalled that I had shown contempt for the court, and that I should be hurled into a dungeon to rot until I betrayed my friend. So then, seeing they were all mad, I drew my sword and cleft the judge’s skull; then I cut my way out of the court, and seeing the high constable’s stallion tied near by, I rode for the wharfs, where I thought to find a ship bound for foreign parts.” Once he realized his captors were unreasonable (by his standards), he cut down as many people as he needed to escaping.

Am I overthinking this? Or not thinking enough?

(I should note that I haven't had any pushback from the other players at this point.)

Thoughts?

Paul


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Yesterday 12:08 am  #2


Re: I Remember Lemuria, but do I remember Sword & Sorcery correctly?

Umm...I'm in the middle of 1937 LA at the moment, preping for next Sunday's game, but I'll think on this and try to post later today. It's an interesting question.


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Yesterday 3:09 am  #3


Re: I Remember Lemuria, but do I remember Sword & Sorcery correctly?

It seems to me Nymox is becoming more Conan rather than Grey Mouser at this point. I see Mouser as a more whimsical character - yes, ready with a blade and swift to use it if the occasion demands, but more likely to say a 'James Bond style' comment over a fallen foe, rather than spit on his body.

But that's just my reading of the character and your reading is qually valid. And of course, Nymox isn't Mouser and characters change in play.

But that's not really the point you are asking (I think).

I've also had players you really didn't 'get' sword and sorcery and played grim blades as Sherlock Holmes or Al Capone - thinking deeply before acting, and/or figuring out all the angles before acting with extreme force. You are right. S&S characters are often impulsive and quick to action. This often gets them into trouble (which is part of the fun) but they have the chops to get out of trouble when required. But remember, not all of the classic characters acted like Conan. Cyrion and Elric were more reflective before bring down the smack, and Kane - well, is there a more vicious and ruthless slaughterer than Kane in all of S&S? But Kane was not so impulsive as Conan.

But the way you play your PC is up to you, and there is no wrong way.

The wider question is that you have a S&S sensibility and the other players don't. A mixmatch of styles can be a problem at a table, but if it isn't causing a problem, then I think you are overthinking it. If you are worried then why not simply talk to the others to find out if Nymox's gung-ho style is a problem for them. But you are, I suspect, overthinking it.

As a GM I've said to players unfamilier with S&S, particularly if they come with a High Fantasy view of rpgs, that S&S isn't like Lord of the Rings, it's like 'A Few Dollars More' and other spagetti westerns. PCs may do the right thing, but because they personally feel it's the right thing to do. It has nothing to do with right and wrong, or good and evil. It's because they don't like the bad guy's face and they had it coming. That they sympathise with the married woman forced to sleep with the bandit, or the hungry children working in an illegal mine. But they do hope to get some reward at the end of the day. Personal drives are important, and a personal morality that owes nothing to a concept like 'society'.

Spagetti Westerns are not a direct fit with S&S - but it's close.

Sometimes players take that on board, but sometimes they just want to play Aragorn in every fantasy game they play. It's only a dealbreaker if it doesn't jar to much with the rest of the table. Some players approach an rpg as an mental exercise in 'never making an error'. In a game set in Italy in the time of Cesare Borgia (magic and monsters optional) that is a wise tactic. When being on the run in Satarla, you just need to get out of Dodge and cut down anyone who gets in your way.

I'm rambling now...was any of that useful?

Last edited by Gruntfuttock (Yesterday 3:13 am)


My real name is Steve Hall
 

Yesterday 8:52 am  #4


Re: I Remember Lemuria, but do I remember Sword & Sorcery correctly?

Thanks for the thoughtful response, Steve! It does help on several levels.

I think you're right that Mouser is, perhaps, a bit less bloodthirsty. However, he's also not one to suffer insult. And, he's one of the two "greatest swordsmen who ever lived, or will ever live, in any of the many universes or fiction, more skillful masters of the blade than Cyrano de Bergerac, Scar Gordon, Conan, John Carter, D'Artagnan, Brandoch Daha, and Anra Devadoris." So he's never reluctant to resort to the sword when he deems it necessary.

I think that I haven't brought it up to the other players mostly because I don't want to plant the seed of doubt? In other words, I'm already hyper-analyzing my play and, if they're not, I don't want to start them down that road if they're not on it.

I suppose, most importantly, StMichael isn't observing an issue/disparity with my approach and the other players' approach, and it's his game. So as long as he thinks things are going well enough, then I shouldn't be making waves. So, probably, my whole "Am I the Asshole?" angst is self-generated. 

Your mention of Elric made me reflect a bit. My perception of him is not so much that he's so much more intellectual in his approach (though he's certainly introspective), but more that he's reluctant to act. He doesn't particularly want to deal with the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, but he often doesn't have a choice, whether driven by his sword or his patron or plain old events. Nymox is sort of like that, in that he'd rather be pulling off lucrative burglaries and the whole "hero" thing gets in the way of that.

BTW, thanks for bringing up Cyrion, because I wasn't previously aware of that character. A quick search reveals he's the creation of Tanith Lee and I'm pretty sure my reading of her work has been lacking. So, something to look forward to!
 


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